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Church Member Gets Shocking Letter From Pastor Save Email Print
Posted: 10:57 PM Apr 17, 2008
 Last Updated: 11:12 AM Apr 18, 2008
 Reporter: Cynthia Ibarra
Email Address: Cynthia.Ibarra@WKYT.com
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A church member of Victory Time Full Gospel Church on Anniston Drive, received a letter from her pastor stating she would lose her church membership if she did not pay her tithes within the next thirty days.

Emma Hafferkamp says her friend has been distraught ever since she received the letter on Wednesday.

"In the letter, it says she had only tithed twice last year and she needed to pay her tithes within thirty days or her name would be removed from the membership list," Haffercamp told 27NEWSFIRST.

Haffercamp says the church means everything to her friend and the thought of losing her membership made her sick.

"She was so upset last night, she had like an anxiety attack. They called the ambulance and she went to the hospital", Hafferkamp said.

She also says her friend cannot afford to tithe because she is about eighty years old, on a fixed income and lives in subsidized housing.

The letter does say the church member is still welcome to attend church services but will not be a member if she does not start tithing.

We went to the church to speak to the pastor but no one answered the door and our repeated calls to him have gone unanswered.

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Posted by: solomon Location: Singapore on Jul 28, 2008 at 09:34 PM
Wow, that church is a Christain Club house, must pay membership(Tithe)--to be premium member, else visitors. May the Lord bless her with a better church.
Posted by: Debbie Location: Liberty on Jul 11, 2008 at 02:39 PM
First of all, Judge not lest ye be Judged. This pastor needs to get his The Book (The Bible) out and read it again. You have no idea how this elder lady may tithe. The Bible says in Malachi 3:10 Bring ye all the tithes into the STOREHOUSE that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of host. This preacher needs to be on his knees somewhere. He is not God and has no right to send this lady a letter like this. You reap what you sow.
Posted by: Alexander Bolar Location: Egypt on Jul 3, 2008 at 02:25 AM
First of all, Tithing is an old testament commandment..no getting around that preachers. Secondly, Preachers! stop choosing individual scriptures to enhance your agenda. Malicah was addressing the priest stealing from God not the people of God. The people paid their tith but the preist left nothing for the poor to come and recieve from the church...sounds like some of us today huh preachers? Read the entire book and then apply it where it is most effective...in the clergy realm. The Gospel is the "good new" of Jesus Christ.I seriousely question weather a pastor truly loves God people when he can cast them away so easily over mammon. This incident is not rare. It is happening all over america and it is disheartening to us paators who could care less about your money. A true shephard would cut his own hand off before he casted a sheep out for the enemy to destroy. The heart of Christ is what we need in our churches today...that is a rare commodity and it should be the most plentiful.
Posted by: Batsell Location: Gainesville, fl on Jul 2, 2008 at 12:29 PM
no one has yet to show me proof that under the new law, the law by which christians abide today, that of the new testament, that i am supposed to tithe 10%. If you are going to uphold laws of the old testament then are you also preforming animal sacrifices and also put women in solitary confinement during their period??? I have yet to figure out how you can pick and choose what applies today and what doesn't just by your choosing. Sounds like a greedy preacher preaching for the wrong reasons
Posted by: Tahwanda Location: Maywood on May 29, 2008 at 08:54 PM
If I don't have enough faith..to give God ten percent of my earnings....then I would not want to be in leadership....I would sit my self down...because not paying tithes is an act of disobedience....and the wrath of God fall on the children of disobedience...If the government was asking for 10%...I bet the people will pay the government..but when it for a good cause...many people have so many excuses...but they don't have any problem...spending on a bottle of wine or whiskey, or going to a fast food restaurant for breakfast,lunch and sometimes dinner....That's where the tithes are at....it's in their stomach...they ate it...10%..in their bellies. Stop making excuses...it's not like you can't file the money during tax season....so it's really not 10%..especially when you get some back when you file your taxes...to me paying tithes is like a savings account and it is needed..
Posted by: Tahwanda Location: Maywood on May 29, 2008 at 08:44 PM
Well...I don't think she should lose her membership...however it is true that in Malachi 3:8...Will a man rob God? yet ye have robbed me. But you say, wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. You will be cursed with a curse for you have robbed me, even this whole nation. Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now here-with,said the Lord of Hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing,that there shall not be room enough to receive...So Furthermmore more I feel that if you are going to abide by the Bible..don't just choose the parts in the Bible that's easy to live by..some people make excuses for not giving..this might not be this woman case..however many people don't think that giving their money to the church for a good cause..like keeping the lights on in the church..etc..for example they don't mind buying a new dress when they have over 50 dresses in their closet..
Posted by: Beauty Location: Chicago on May 22, 2008 at 07:44 PM
This is wrong. The other members need to get together and come to this pastor and let him know what he did was wrong. I wouldn't stand by and support this pastor for nothing in this world. This is so terrible and wrong. He will pay for this. My heart is broken by reading this. That pastor needs to step down and NOW
Posted by: Erica Location: Illinois on May 20, 2008 at 04:27 PM
I heard of another ministry telling it's leaders if they do not tithe they will be removed from their duties as leaders as of a certain date.
Posted by: DEE Location: OHIO on May 20, 2008 at 01:55 PM
PRAY FOR THE PASTOR, FOR HE KNOWS NOT WHAT HE DID.
Posted by: ashland Location: KY on May 4, 2008 at 08:05 PM
I wonder if this elderly lady is the only church member that got this letter. I think not. It is most likely even a form letter, only signed by the pastor. Tithing can be done in many ways and doesn't necessarily refer to money. Time, service, etc. is also tithing. I tithe. Not to a church, but to individuals God leads me to help out. One doesn't have to look far to find them. My tithings go where I know they are being used for good, not to a group of leaders that are interested in bigger buildings, fancier furnishings, and youth group trips to unnecessary places. Listen to your heart. Give where God leads you to give. Don't put faith in other humans; you will get disappointed everytime.
Posted by: timothy Location: hurling rock on Apr 28, 2008 at 09:35 AM
sounds like a lot of people have issues about giving money. Don't hold on so tightly to it, it may consume. You know who has a problem with giving money when they become defensive and say only old testament times. So thou shall not murder, covet, lie, etc. it is just in the old testament time and lets live it up now. Besides a christian should have built in desire to give money, time, talent, etc.
Posted by: lisa Location: lexington on Apr 24, 2008 at 10:20 AM
please give scripture of NT verses on tithing. 2 Corinthians 9:7 says not to give --of necessity-- 1 Corinthians 4:6 is concerning apostles--not to be 'puffed up" obiviously I am reading scripture-but do not read from the same bible that you do
Posted by: Anonymous on Apr 23, 2008 at 09:00 PM
Quote Excuse me....reads your bible......tithing IS bible. Unquote Only for Israel in the OT. We are NT and it explains how to give very nicely.
Posted by: Renee Location: Mount Sterling on Apr 23, 2008 at 05:52 PM
When did we have to start paying to go to church? I always thought you gave what you could and when you could. Did Jesus make people pay when he helped them?
Posted by: Anonymous Location: Lexington on Apr 23, 2008 at 03:47 PM
“Let each one do just as he has resolved in his heart, not grudgingly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.” So give cheerfully, give freely, give liberally, but any law that says you “must” is in excess of the Scriptures. Please look up 2 Cor. 9:7; 1 Cor. 4:6.
Posted by: angela Location: ky on Apr 23, 2008 at 03:26 PM
I really think people put too much faith in man and not enough in the bible and the teachings from the bible. I mean why should we pay to go listen to someone who preaches their own verson of something when we can read for free. TAKE TIME to read and less on what a building means and the people in that building. Jesus had no building and asked for NO money he wanted to save souls. That is what the bible is.
Posted by: claire Location: lexington on Apr 23, 2008 at 02:41 PM
Many years ago my husband lost his job . We attended a church where we held membership I sent my tithe card to the church which was promptly returned to me with a note from our pastor stating that when our finicial sitiuation improved they would accept our tithes until then please take care of our needs. I have never forgotten this.
Posted by: Anonymous on Apr 23, 2008 at 12:21 PM
Ok first of this is getting out of hand.....don't down nice churches, the Lord wants HIS HOUSE to come first, that means it should be kept up and in the BEST way possible...but the money should not be misused.....If there is THE LOVE OF GOD in a church and it is run on the WORD OF GOD...IT WILL BE a wonderful place to atttend and worship, God will provide for all churches that HE COMES FIRST IN....you can't put man or anything else in FIRST PLACE....God must be first.....everyone seems to have a lot of different oppinions..but I would really love to see God bless this little lady in a great tremendous way because she took a stand, just wait upon God dear and he will place you in congregation that will help and respect you....you will receive great blessings from the Lord..... I think this pastor should tell his side too, God forgives all things......if this lady is what it seems that she really is, I know she will forgive him.
Posted by: Anonymous on Apr 23, 2008 at 12:10 PM
Even if the church is in trouble...this is no way to treat your members......pray and ask god to meet your needs....this Will work.
Posted by: Anonymous on Apr 23, 2008 at 12:08 PM
Excuse me....reads your bible......tithing IS bible.
Posted by: A Guy Location: Lexington on Apr 23, 2008 at 12:00 PM
I think this guy has the wrong idea of what church is and what giving money to the church is. Giving money is a gift not a requirement at every church I have ever been a part of. It sounds like this church should be giving to her and not the other way around.
Posted by: Anonymous on Apr 23, 2008 at 11:44 AM
You know, I really believe that if a church is FOUNDED ON THE TRUE WORD OF GOD....that God will meet every financial need that the church and the pastor have, money is TOO BIG OF AN ISSUE any more, but if you are truly a church of the truth, God will make all the needs available!!!!!
Posted by: Anonymous on Apr 23, 2008 at 11:41 AM
You can't let one bad apple make all churches look bad, the BIBLE says, assemble yourself together in the house of the Lord, choose your church and pastor carefully, make sure you have one that PREACHES THE WORD and lives by it.....don't judge everyone by this incident.......God is coming soon and we all better try our best to be ready...or it will be a very sad day......bless this little lady....
Posted by: Anonymous on Apr 22, 2008 at 10:32 PM
i dont trust any church any more i use to go to church but not any more..your body is your church any way. and god is in the heart. long as god is in your heart .who needs a church? hes with u always even to the end.if u obay him that is
Posted by: East KY Minister Location: Grayson on Apr 22, 2008 at 06:24 PM
As a minister this makes me sick. But I am not shocked. My wife's brother-in-law once attended a church that treated members the same way. He was told by the minister that he did not care what the bible said, that he (the minister) was the authority in that church and then he had him escorted out of the church by some of the men, so called elders.
Posted by: Anonymous on Apr 22, 2008 at 04:18 PM
ENOUGH ABOUT THIS!!!!!
Posted by: Alta House Location: Missouri on Apr 22, 2008 at 02:52 PM
TITHING is not connected with church membership..TITHING is between the parishoner and GOD. This is the problem with some churches...you can't tell a person to give if they have nothning to give...she needs to LEAVE this church...find a church that loves and cares for her as a person, not what can give. TO THE pastor: YOU ARE WRONG AND GOD WILL GET YOU FOR THIS...YOU NEED TO PRAY AND STUdY YOUR WORD PRIOR TO PREACHING AND WRITING LETTERS...
Posted by: sweetie Location: home on Apr 22, 2008 at 02:48 PM
I was just wondering if she was a widow? I belive the bible says that widows do not even have to pay tithes. LOOK IT UP.!
Posted by: Barb Location: Paintsville on Apr 22, 2008 at 02:07 PM
The elderly deserve every treat in life that they can get. If it is a treat for this lady to be a "member" and attend this church. This pastor should be required to go to her home and drive her to and from services. The elderly are the people who have made this world livable for us today. I hope this guy is not dependent upon the elderly for his living. If he is, he needs to find another vocation becaues being a pastor means you accept God, and therefore you must accept God's children, especially the elderly and children. God Forgive This Pastor for he knows not what he does.
Posted by: Angie Location: williamsburg on Apr 22, 2008 at 12:53 PM
I was just curious about something. So, if someone came into that church and was caled by God to the altar and gave their life to the Lord and asked the pastor to be a member there but was homeless, hungry, without a penny to their name, what would they say to them? Would they be told I'm sorry but you can't be a member here unless you sign this piece of paper and promise to give money every week? I'm serious I would really like to know the answer to this. In another comment from a guy who use to go to that church he said that there were only like 10 members. The pastor needs to be out trying to get more members, and if the church needs money for things do like the other ones do, like go out and have car washes, yard sales, bake sales and stuff like that. For goodness sakes, the lady is one of 10 members (if that's right)and 80 years old, on a fixed income and living in low income housing. He shouldn't know the fact that she only paid 2 times, maybe that's all she could afford. Pt.1
Posted by: MJ Location: Lex on Apr 22, 2008 at 12:45 PM
How does this preacher know who gives what if they put cash in the basket every week?
Posted by: Dennis Location: PA on Apr 22, 2008 at 12:40 PM
Jenna, Thank you! God is the only one keeping the lights on there. They have a very meager church, a hole in the wall for $450 a month and most months have more outgo than income, but God does supply the need. 8-10 regular attenders, most on fixed incomes makes it hard. Plus putting gas in the van to go pick them all up and bring them home. Trust me, he does not wear a fancy suit!! In fact he is not paid anything by the church, but gives can money and other things to keep it going.
Posted by: J Location: MI on Apr 22, 2008 at 11:00 AM
Why do churches teach tithing when none of the early Christians did? Read the book by Viola and Barna called Pagan Christianity? This poor lady is being lied to.
Posted by: A Past Member Location: Ky on Apr 22, 2008 at 09:18 AM
I was a Member at this Church for about 5 years and I can say that all of this stuff is unreal,I know this Pastor and I can say to you that the Church must be in trouble as for paying the bills and making ends meet for this to happen, now Days People don't want to help there Church and it take's Money to pay the bills and keep the doors open. And this Pastor is NOT PAID, We need to stop judging the Pastor and Judge our Selfs , Pray for all the Pastors and we have to stop and Remember that Pastors are just people to, Geeeez we all have made mistakes . Theres to may people throwing the First stone, This man you all are throwing stones at was the only on who cared enough to come to me when I was down and out and showed me the way to God,and many years later I am still here, so stop being so hard on him he is just a man.
Posted by: Anonymous on Apr 22, 2008 at 07:23 AM
This is the most horrible thing, this person is eventantly dedicated to her church and God is the owner of this church, a pastor should preach tithing from the "PULPIT" and let God lead people on what they can pya, times are hard and God knows that, this little lady is to be commended on bringing this to surface so people will know what is going on, where is the comments from the Pastor?????
Posted by: lisa Location: lexington on Apr 22, 2008 at 06:39 AM
1 Corinthians 9: 13Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?
Posted by: robert on Apr 22, 2008 at 12:33 AM
This is pitiful preacher rides the best car the best clothes the best House must pay to play.
Posted by: Carol Location: KY on Apr 21, 2008 at 11:11 PM
All we know is that Emma Hafferkamp told WKYT about her "friend". Was the friend even interviewed? What does she have to say about all of this? Come on people, we don't even have the minister's side of this. Why is it that everything people don't agree with anymore goes to the news media. I'm not saying that I think it is right to demand her tithes; however, with only the small congregation to pay the bill, I would imagine all tithes are needed. Most churches have a church board that sets the guidelines for the church, as well as for the minister. Just maybe he is following the church boards requests, and just maybe this lady is on the board and helped make this rule. I just think that there's not enough facts here to decide if he's a crooked minister, but only enough to make an interesting news story.
Posted by: jenna Location: mccreary co on Apr 21, 2008 at 11:02 PM
this comment is for dennis..sorry if my comments upset you but it just makes me so angry to hear what had happened..i understand that he needs to keep the lights on but its not up to her to do that for him..god will find a way for the lights to stay on..i to have a 83 year old grandmother and she loves the lord more than anything and she also has struggled with finances..and always praised God for everything He has done for her ..i just think that since she was having trouble paying then let it be over looked..shes old and fixed income i understand ? come on ..give her a break. if need be then God will provide ...sorry for upsetting you..
Posted by: Anonymous Location: Ky on Apr 21, 2008 at 10:52 PM
Its ok for a pastor to take up money to help pay electric bill for the church or to help someone in need, but you all are paying for the pastors a fine car a fine suit. He isn't going to loose any sleep over you tithe or what ever its called. I crack up evertime that I read this.
Posted by: Floyd County Resident Location: Floyd County on Apr 21, 2008 at 10:03 PM
Sounds like they need a new pastor. It is so sad that even Church has become to be like everything else--- all about money
Posted by: concerned Location: Ky. on Apr 21, 2008 at 09:52 PM
If there wasn't so many churches that wanted to look like a mansion there wouldn't be such a need for the money, if it were just to pay the preacher it would be much better, everywhere you look is a huge church with all the trimmings, you can have church in a barn, it is not about what it looks like anyway, if more people would go for a good ole fashioned blessing this world would be much better off. Some of them are so fancy on the outside I wouldn't feel comfortable walking in them in the clothes that I wear. You would almost feel as though you had to be rich just to enter.. I just wish people would come back down a notch and stop worrying about the big church buildings and more about lost souls.. Little country churches are a thing of the past. Why? Most of the big churches have seating for many with only one third of those seats used...
Posted by: Nathan Schoenfeldt Location: Fort Worth Texas on Apr 21, 2008 at 05:01 PM
I agree with most comments for a pastor to cancel someone's membership to a church because they have failed to meet the tithe "requirements" whatever they might be for this church is absurd. But, let us not forget this is only one pastor. My dad is a pastor and I can say from experience that there have have many a times he didn't take a pay check for that month so that the church could have money for its outreaches as well as to stay open. I wish that a church could just run on Love , but the bottom line is that the church of today can not run without financial support. Again I just want to state that I do not agree with what this pastor did, but that should not change the fact that tithe is what keeps a church open, it doesnt just go to pay the pastor.
Posted by: lisa Location: lexington on Apr 21, 2008 at 04:11 PM
2 Corinthians 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. Specifically states not to give grudgingly, or of necessity. An elderly person on fixed income living in subsidizing housing falls of the necessity part. The church should be taking care of her, not vise versa.
Posted by: Jean Location: Nicholasville on Apr 21, 2008 at 03:44 PM
Some of you all are acting like all the money goes to preachers. You have to remember that there are electric bills, water bills, garbage bills, phone bills, etc. We pay our pastor and pay him well but he is available 24/7. He goes to the hospitals, funerals, homes...anywhere he is needed and anytime he is needed. He has a regular job too. He is one of the kindest men I know. I know he has pulled money from his own pocket to give to people in need, him and his wife have helped me many times. They often drive 100 miles or more to be with our members who have lost family and have the funerals out of town. He actually has turned down raises before. Not all preachers or christians are bad people. Sure you have a few hypocrits, every church has them...but I'd rather go to church with a hypocrit than go to hell with them. The man over the church who did this needs prayer. Yes, he may be afraid the bills won't be paid but to do this to a poor old woman is sad.
Posted by: Allen Location: Alabama on Apr 21, 2008 at 02:25 PM
If we did ban together and send money to her church in her name...look who its going to.???. A friend brought this up. Why not ban together and build a church not far from her and give her the keys.I'd drive all night on Saturday from Birmingham to be there Sunday morning. We need love in churches.
Posted by: Chris Location: Prestonsburg on Apr 21, 2008 at 01:44 PM
I was moved by Rhonda in Sandy Hook. If someone can post the address, I'll send some money to her church in her name so she can get some rest. Rhonda, youre terrific, thanks for setting a great example of how Christians should think.
Posted by: Chrls Location: Prestonsburg on Apr 21, 2008 at 01:33 PM
This has got to be one of the most dispicable things I've heard of recently. Who was this pathetic pastor that did this? I know several churches would would gladly come and pick this lady up, and return her home safely and she'd never pay a dime or be asked for it. I've never known God to base his love on the assets we aquire, period. She's 80 years into life and this happens...I WOULD NOT WANT TO BE THIS " PASTOR "
Posted by: Jack Location: Pike County on Apr 21, 2008 at 10:08 AM
Just when I didn't think Eastern KY could sink any lower. IT DID. Kicking an 80 year old out of chuch because of money. We've finally hit our low point.
Posted by: shannon Location: liberty on Apr 21, 2008 at 08:29 AM
pay a preacher to preach pay him a little more and he will stop i will stick with my old time country church thank you
Posted by: MJ Location: Lex on Apr 21, 2008 at 08:14 AM
That preacher apparently does not know the meaning of the word "Christianity". I hope he sees a dramatic decrease in membership in the near future.
Posted by: Andy on Apr 21, 2008 at 08:07 AM
Got you democrat for preacher. "HUH"
Posted by: Alene Location: London on Apr 21, 2008 at 07:20 AM
DON'T PUT YOUR FAITH IN THE PREACHER! The Devil makes situations like this to give non-believers a reason not to go to church and believers a reason to stay home. My Dad and youngest brother were die hard christians, one week before they died in a house fire in Pittsburg, KY, in 2006 the pastor of their church had just hurt their feeling for the last time. This was on a Sunday and they died on Tuesday. My Dad said, "he would watch TV preachers and do just as good" and my brother was in search of a new church. My oldest brother was this so called pastor and God help him, I am sure he will answer for the way he made them feel that last Sunday at church. In fact he lives with it everyday. If this little lady gave her time it is more than some people give. Shame on this Preacher and Dennis for making this poor little woman who is trying to live her life for the Lord to feel anything less than wonderful, which she most certainly is wonderful in God's eyes.
Posted by: ken Location: pikeville on Apr 21, 2008 at 02:19 AM
what a great example of how goofy religion is
Posted by: Earwig Location: Prestonsburg on Apr 21, 2008 at 12:28 AM
Nothing like religion and money to get interest stirred up...if I have a problem with my pastor I go to my pastor not to the press.
Posted by: Susie Location: Lily on Apr 20, 2008 at 11:33 PM
I think that this is a shame that pastor would say he would take your name of the book if the tithes aren't paid. I think what he wants is more money in his pocket. I am a christian and if I don't have the money to pay the church then I don't. Sister, I would tell the pastor to go ahead and take my name off the book, because GOD is my judge and no man can take my name off of GODS book. He is the only that can judge me, not MAN!!!
Posted by: me Location: east ky on Apr 20, 2008 at 11:25 PM
I say, GO DONNA! Basically you said it all. Except, maybe if there were more than 10 members, they better be glad that this lady has been devoted but apparently has had problems lately and should not be removed from the membership. By the way, why isn't this church held in someone's building, garage, living room,etc. That way the overhead expense that no longer exists. Otherwise, he isn't doing something right. 10 members, please...
Posted by: mary Location: gray on Apr 20, 2008 at 10:50 PM
Thank God I don't belong to a church that wants money instead of trying to win lost souls I believe in paying tithes and do tithe. But I think that is between me and God. We have a lot of members in our church who do not tithe. We built a new church a few years ago and within a year it was paid for, because we worship God not money as this Pastor does. We would love to have this poor lady as a member of our church. All she is required to to to become a member is accept Jesus Christ as her Lord and Savior. That church sounds more like a soical club than a church. That pastor needs to get down on his knees and do a lot of praying, may God forgive him.
Posted by: Anonymous Location: Ky on Apr 20, 2008 at 10:06 PM
You shouldn't have to pay for religion! also I don't think that a pastor should get paid to preach. He need to get real job.
Posted by: Jeff Location: KY on Apr 20, 2008 at 08:41 PM
My aunt used to tithe about 40 percent of her income because she really liked the pastor. As a matter of fact, the pastor told me my aunt has the biggest tithes he has ever seen.
Posted by: Diane Location: Mt.Sterling on Apr 20, 2008 at 07:19 PM
Who would want to be a member of a church who does that to a faithful member. The value of a person is not how much money they give but the faith they have. I would be willing to believe this church member gave years of service to her church family. This is of much greater value than money. This pastor needs some accountability for his actions! And he needs to start by making a public apology!
Posted by: Jennifer Location: Richmond on Apr 20, 2008 at 06:25 PM
Oh my goodness what is this world coming to? Thats crazy first and foremost the church is not the pastor's its God's place of worship and if someone can't afford to pay to be a member it should not make a difference. I heard a saying once and it has stuck with me for most of my life. God isn't going to ask what kind of car you drove or how much money you made its who you have helped along the way to make a difference in someone else life.
Posted by: Anonymous Location: Barbourville, KY on Apr 20, 2008 at 04:32 PM
I am a life-long Baptist, married to a preacher, and can not believe this is happening. I know what the Bible says about tithing. I also know that no religion or its teachings should be forced on anyone. I can't imagine someone being removed from the register because they don't tithe. It should be left up to the person. Do I think she should? Yes. But, with that said, it is her decision, and she will have to deal with it between herself and God. She'll have to answer for all her doings, right or wrong. It should not be up to someone else to threaten her into doing what they think she should. It makes me interested to know what else the pastor has been teaching. Maybe more needs looked at than just this. She should leave it in God's hands, and His will will be done. Prayers & Blessings to everyone!
Posted by: Me! Location: Ky on Apr 20, 2008 at 02:18 PM
Dennis in PA I feel sorry for this church and it's congregation. They are blinded by the whole 10% thing and false teachings of this so called pastor. If he were a true man of God he would have talked to this poor lady and maybe seen if she was in financial trouble. Instead he was greedy for the tithes from her. The first thing on any child of God's heart and mind in a situation like this is to see if something may be wrong with their "sister" or "brother'. NOT hound them for money with threatening letters. God will hand out just rewards someday and I wouldn't want to be answering for this "preacher's" deeds.
Posted by: lisa Location: seky on Apr 20, 2008 at 02:01 PM
tithing is between this person and the lord.others including the pastor shouldn't even know how much others tithes r.besides this if some of u r tithing in order to claim this on taxes u r tithing for the wrong reason anyways.God knows u can't hide it from him.it shouldn't be publicly know what others income is anyway. first of all it is nobody business.money can't buy u a ticket to heaven but the love of money sure can asure u a trip straight to hell...
Posted by: Dennis Location: PA on Apr 20, 2008 at 01:43 PM
This is a nondenominational church, open bible type church and is not under any umbrella but God's. I gave cash while I was there but won't send it through the mail so they sent me an end of year statement for tax purposes. I'm not bragging about the amount, I'm trying to point out that this is no multimillion dollar operation!! He gets paid NOTHING from the church!! He is trying to keep the lights on. It states in the membership application that members will pay their tithe, and you read that and sign it. She is not a regular attender and he picks her up in the van some times when she asks, and gets other rides when she wants to. The pastor talked to her many times in person asking her to come regularly and try to pay tithe. After a long time of no response it was a documented way of removing her from the roll. She is still welcome to come and is loved by ALL, just won't be on the roll. No one is wrong here. Hope this helps. Church is only open at services. He pays for his phone.
Posted by: Anonymous on Apr 20, 2008 at 12:58 PM
The OT tithe was used to take care of the poor and the widows and orphans. It seems this Church has it backwards if they are going to use the OT tithe as their giving principles. Of course we know we no longer liver under the "old schoolmaster" of the OT law. That was only for Israel. The NT is very clear on how to give. 2Corinthians 9:7 is just one of several verses on how to give that comes to my mind.
Posted by: lisa Location: lexington on Apr 20, 2008 at 12:57 PM
I would like to challange anyone to find New Testament scripture on tithing. We are to give to the poor, not take from the poor.
Posted by: Sue Location: Richmond on Apr 20, 2008 at 12:31 PM
Sad that this isn't shocking to me. It has been my experience with "pastors", some even family, that they never practice their teachings. I've "left" the church setting. I found no comfort, only gossip and back stabbing. One preacher even spoke about a "wealthy" individual he needed us to welcome with open arms, not because he was lost, but all the "good" he could do for the church. This poor woman is probably held higher on the Heaven list than any other member there. May everyone embrace her, stand with her, listen and be a servant to her...No one should ever pay to pray! This is no man of God, and does not represent the works of Jesus. What would HE do? Not what this person did that's for sure.
Posted by: Cat on Apr 20, 2008 at 11:38 AM
Whose church is it? I believe it should be God's Church. I sure am glad that it is only God who decides who gets in to Heaven and this Church.
Posted by: Josh Location: Michigan on Apr 20, 2008 at 11:03 AM
According to the latest from the Barna Group, only 5% of Americans actually tithe (including 1 in 4 evangelicals, 1 in 10 penecostal/charismatics). And protestant Christians only give an average of $1,705 each year. If we start kicking people out for not tithing/giving enough, there'll be no one left in church. http://www.barna.org/FlexPage.aspx?Page=BarnaUpdateNarrow&BarnaUpdateID=296
Posted by: lisa Location: seky on Apr 20, 2008 at 10:22 AM
to dennis charity begins at home.this is to the pastor becare where you cast ur lots jesus may overturn ur table as well.think about it if u know what i mean..
Posted by: Randy Location: OKC/Pikeville on Apr 20, 2008 at 08:31 AM
HOLY COW!!! HOLY COW!!! Okay, let's all say together now... LEGALISM...The ugliness of so many gatherings... LEGALISM! Remember, Being a MEMBER of the Body of Christ which IS the church way supercedes mans establishment of bylaws!!! Honey, your membership is secure in Christ! Lord, Help us to understand and see you more clearly and FLUSH Legalism!
Posted by: Bart Location: Harrodsburg on Apr 20, 2008 at 06:58 AM
The Bible calls places like this a whorehouse, not a church! All who attend here and all who support this sort of behavior will split hell wide open! This poor old lady needs to flee from this awful place like Lot fleeing Sodom! It will be worse for this "church" than it was for Sodom and Gomorrah!
Posted by: Donna Location: Louisville on Apr 20, 2008 at 06:32 AM
I totally agree with Bob. Dennis, when I gave at church I didnt put my name or other informaton on the tithe envelope. The only one who needs to know what I give is God, and he does. I thought all churches had an overseeing headquarters. I know The Church of God, has an overseeing office in Cleveland, Tn., which keeps up with church finances and supplies Sunday School lesson books and such. The news story states "We went to the church to speak to the pastor but no one answered the door and our repeated calls to him have gone unanswered". I suspect the pastor didnt expect making news, and if he thought he was right in sending the letter, he would speak to the reporters. Unless he is embarrassed or hiding something. Matthew6:4 So that your deeds of charity may be in secret; and your Father Who sees in secret will reward you openly.
Posted by: Anonymous Location: Lexington on Apr 20, 2008 at 04:47 AM
The lady should tithe her income. Tithe is 10%. But she should not be coerced into giving what belongs to God. Let her receive correct teaching regarding the tithe, then let God deal with her heart to do what is right. Tithing brings financial blessing.But, she should not be punished for not following sound principle. She simply will not receive the blessings that come from obeying the instructions in the Bible that assure us our every need will be met.Malachi 3:10-12.
Posted by: Kay Location: kentucky on Apr 20, 2008 at 01:45 AM
To the Paster, Mark chaper 12 verses 38 through 44 And he said unto them in his doctrine,beware of the scribes, which love to go in long clothing, and love salutations in the marketplaces. And the chief seats in the synagogues, and the uppermost rooms at feasts. Which devour widows houses, and for a pretence make long prayers: these shall recieve greater damnation. And Jesus sat over against the treasury, and beheld how the people cast money into the treasury: and many that were rich cast in much. And there came a certain poor widow and she threw in two mites, which make a farthing. And he called unto him his disciples, and saith unto them, Verily I say unto you. That this poor widow hath cast more in than all they which have cast into the treasury. For all they did cast in of their abundance. but she of her want did cast in all that she had, even all her living. Im sure this elderly lady, put what she could afford in the offerings taken up during the services she attended.
Posted by: Dennis Location: PA on Apr 20, 2008 at 12:38 AM
No one has to be a member of any church to worship there. This little church of ten people has a membership statement that requires you to tithe. You do not have to sign it, but if you do you commit to paying your tithe. I do from a distance and if I feel led not to, I will cancel my member ship. It is sad that people have written anything negative about my pastor with out even knowing the full story. He is not out to get anybody and if you attend some of his services you will find that he Loves God and his congregation, what little it is and goes out of his way to help and accommodate them even using his own money. He is NOT a paid pastor!!!!!!!!! He receives NOTHING from the church, but give all!! Find out what you are talking about before you speak!! Hurtful words can not be taken back. He loves this woman and was just trying to help her receive the blessing of tithe which I explained in an earlier comment. Go to the church and see for yourself and if you can still right these thin
Posted by: alexis Location: mccreary co on Apr 20, 2008 at 12:31 AM
this is a comment for this man named dennis..if you think she should pay it then you should pay it for her since you are so proud of giving your 2000 bucks to a fake pastor..your and idiot..dont you realize that your 2000 dollars is paying for his ..personal material things..lolyou need to wake up also
Posted by: jenna Location: mccreary co on Apr 20, 2008 at 12:23 AM
this comment is for dennis..just because you think he is a good pastor does not mean he has the right to tell her she will loose her membership if she dont pay..if he is that worried bout it..then he should seek help or get a part time job to pay it..he is not god and god does not want ppl to go to church and pay to beleive in him..she is and old woman for crying out loud..give her a break its prob the only thing she has that she can claim..hers..and that is god..you and your paster should be ashamed..just because you payed so much does not mean that she or anyone else has to even if they say you have to..to be a member..she really should go to another church ..one that is happy just because she is there ..being a child of god..shame on you
Posted by: Dennis Location: PA on Apr 20, 2008 at 12:23 AM
Let me say some things about tithing. First of all, a person can't afford not to tithe. When I was out of work and was living on a third of what I used to make, my wife and I didn't even think about NOT TITHING! One tenth of the unemployment check went right to our church as well as a tenth of some odd jobs I picked up which I reported to the government. Some times things god impossible paying mortgage, taxes, lights, heat, etc but when there were more bills due than money, GOD supplied!! A check would show up, some cash would be left in our mail slot at church, an extra little bit of work would come and the federal government paid families $700 !!! (That went to the mortgage).They were some of the best days of our life, seeing His provision. It also says in the bible that you should not rob GOD and 10% is his. Thats how he takes care of His programs. I signed a membership and it requires tithe. Whoever doesn't is missing a blessing. What I got back was much more that I gave. Praise G
Posted by: Shoopman Location: likberty ky on Apr 19, 2008 at 11:15 PM
Sounds to me like they need a new Pastor pretty much he is out for the money, i know it cost a lot to keep the lights and everthing on in a church, but if it is gods will everthing will work out, This Pasters needs to pray hader and not act like that
Posted by: Rick Hedrick Location: London on Apr 19, 2008 at 11:02 PM
If the church upholds this,they should install a turnstile & charge a set admission. At least everyone would know the cost up front
Posted by: A past member Location: Lexington on Apr 19, 2008 at 10:01 PM
If a person want to pay tithes, it is good, but to feel forced is another thing. He is a very poor example of what being a pastor and a Christian really is supposed to be. His actions have caused a lot of doubt as to what being a Christian really means and may have caused a lot of people to not even try to go to any church. Shame on you for the shame you have caused not only to the church, but to your family.
Posted by: Rhonda Location: sandyhook on Apr 19, 2008 at 08:46 PM
THIS IS CRAZY,I CANT IT.IF SHE WANTS TO STAY IN THIS CHURCH I'LL PAY IT.SO SHE CAN SLEEP AN FEEL BETTER. BUT GOD DONT CARE WHAT CHURCH U GO TO AS LONG AS U SHOW UP. MAY GOD BLESS HER.
Posted by: BARRY Location: FLOYD COUNTY on Apr 19, 2008 at 07:15 PM
lOOKS LIKE THIS CHURCH WILL PROBABLY START RUNNING CREDIT CHECKS ON ITS MEMBERS NOW! I KNOW WHERE I WON'T BE GOING TO CHURCH. SOUNDS LIKE THE MEMBERS OF THE CHURCH NEED TO FIND A NEW PASTOR,YOU KNOW ONE THAT IS A MAN OF GOD AND NOT A MAN OF MATERIAL THINGS!
Posted by: Bob on Apr 19, 2008 at 07:03 PM
The name that needs to be taken off the church membership is the pastor's.
Posted by: Dennis Location: PA on Apr 19, 2008 at 06:06 PM
I am a member of this church and did attend regularly last year. I live in PA but work in that area from time to time. I assure you this pastor is not squandering the tithe money. They have six or seven regular attenders which are old folks on fixed incomes and he picks them up in the church van at no expense to them!! Its hard to have much of a board of directors with five people, three of which are being treated for mental disorders. This man Loves the Lord, preaches the Word, and caters to people who can't afford anything with barley any tithe coming in. It is hard for him to keep the lights on! I have a good job and tithed a little over $2000.00 last year. One other full time attender gives about that much. Their total annual budget is around $20,000.00. The rent is $450.00 and does not include the lights, heat, AC or water, so do the math!! He is not getting RICH!!! He is not kicking this lady out of the church, she is still welcome to attend, but the membership states you tithe.
Posted by: Ken Location: Houston on Apr 19, 2008 at 04:20 PM
What is worse that a wolf in sheeps clothing is a wolf in shepherds clothing. This pastor should give a good read of Ezekiel 34... it speaks about such wolves as him.
Posted by: j Location: ky on Apr 19, 2008 at 04:04 PM
Sometimes people donate what they can and give more when they have it. I don't feel that God himself would deny a person a place in Heaven because they didn't have money to give. This is sad. If the church is in financial troubles, you pray but you don't pick on those who can't help themselves. What kind of love and compassion is that?.
Posted by: not a bit surprised Location: pikeville on Apr 19, 2008 at 03:28 PM
I cannot help bu wonder if the money means that much to the guy "posing" as a pastor. I feel that he should have love, compassion, and with a heart full of respect for elders and her financial circumstances. After all, is'nt the church so full of titheings by the full house that we cannot make room for anyone who does'nt throw money at him? I also wonder how he would if his mother were ask to leave her church. Furthermore, if the tithings were down for any reason, maybe the people think "Its just not worth the money for teachings from a man with this type of gall toward anyone period!!!
Posted by: Jerry Location: KY on Apr 19, 2008 at 03:13 PM
The tithe was always food products from the land of Israel. I wish pastors that teach this would truly study it. The New Testament is clear on giving principles and the tithe isn't it. So sad there are so many unlearned people in the pulpits.
Posted by: Allen Location: Alabama on Apr 19, 2008 at 02:03 PM
Gods word is free. Churches that do this, and there are many, are not out for the Word of God but for the MONEY which will burn right along with them.
Posted by: B.R. Whitfield Location: American in Austria on Apr 19, 2008 at 01:11 PM
This sounds like a screwed up church and pastor. I am Pentecostal and the Bible says to give with a glad heart. Giving also means helping people, donating time for charity, etc., not just giving money. This church needs a new pastor.
Posted by: Margie Location: Garrett,KY on Apr 19, 2008 at 12:23 PM
NOT MUCH OF CHURCH OR PREACHER
Posted by: Tammy Location: Williamsburg on Apr 19, 2008 at 11:02 AM
Tithing is to help the church and pay the bill.We are not suppose to use it against the members of the church.This is just a farst and I know my GOD is very unhappy with this church and the pastor. To the lady this happen to you are more then welcome to come join my church CALVARY MISSIONARY BAPTIST CHURCH in Williamsburg .God bless you maam and let the Lord keep you safe ..
Posted by: unknown Location: lexington on Apr 19, 2008 at 10:46 AM
Its sad to say but this does not surprise me, I know this preacher. Tithes are suppose to be given upon what is in your heart to give. It would be different if the money was used for the right reasons but I dont feel they are..unless its ok to want the money to pay your own bills for your own personal reasons. I would hate to be in his shoes when the Lord felt compelled to right this wrong on a poor church going woman. No one can tell you unless you pay money you can not be a member of the Lord!
Posted by: Kim on Apr 19, 2008 at 10:07 AM
When did it become necessary to PAY to be a member of the Lord's army? Yahoo doesn't even require you to pay to be a "member". What have we become?
Posted by: Connie Location: Frankfort on Apr 19, 2008 at 09:23 AM
Apparently people need to take note of this so called church and avoid it at all cost! I agree with Trish, this is just one example of why people avoid organized religion these days. Churches seem to be more interested in their buildings, programs, & money than they are people! How many churches minister to disabled people? the elderly? the single moms? Not many of them. Why? Because these groups usually don't have alot of money. Jesus would welcome each of these groups with open arms, but not our so called churches. Churches have become nothing more than social clubs for the best dressed, well to do people, but not for those who are hurting and need help! I believe in Jesus, not churches!
Posted by: lg Location: seky on Apr 19, 2008 at 09:12 AM
Out of the previous 72 comments,Anne-Marie u r the only 1 to see things differntly.DAH! Can we r u family? This is ridiculous,things like this is why people like had just soon stay away from churches.U don't have to be in a church to pray and worship u can do that from home.If this pastor's mother is still living she should take a keen switch to him for this.I'm sure ur church needed publicity but i don't think it needs this kind.
Posted by: C Location: SC KY on Apr 19, 2008 at 09:05 AM
No wonder you can't tell the difference between the Christian and the world, they are apparently being taught minipulation and control are ok. And as far as tithing, it should be used for the widow and the orphan, I see no mention of a husband here.
Posted by: Marie Location: Richmond on Apr 19, 2008 at 08:53 AM
First thing I would suggest her do is find a REAL church. The pastor in this church will face his maker and pay his dues but I don't think it will be with God. I was raised in a Holliness church and if somebody coulnd't donate to the church then most usually the members and the pastor was trying to help them. NOT kicking them out of church. ALL churches need to wake up and realize God doesn't need wordly things. He just wants someone to spread his word and help people when they are down, not kicking them while they're down. Emma will be alright as long as she has faith and trust in God. Everyone needs to pray for the pastor of this church though. I really think the pastor needs to think about what he and anyone esle that is involved with the letter has done to her. They will answer to God in the end. He needs to ask himself "What would Jesus do?" I really don't think that Jesus would sit down and write a letter telling her to pay up or get out!
Posted by: lynn Location: KY on Apr 19, 2008 at 08:26 AM
I didn't realize Full Gospel Churches had membership, none of the Non-denominational, Full Gospel churches I have gone to did, that sounds more like a Baptist thing, They need to read their bible and the rely on the little thing called faith, rather than looking to man or woman in this case, and using their own methods to meet their needs.
Posted by: Me! Location: Ky on Apr 19, 2008 at 07:44 AM
We should give what is in our hearts and back pocket.God knows what we can and cannot give, he also knows what is in our hearts.Which to me seems more important.A true man of God would never send anyone a letter like that.If the church in question gave the go ahead of such a letter...They need to do some more reading in the Bible and alot more praying concerning their own souls.I think the Bible states something like this" Let not the right hand know what the left hand do"it may not be word for word but it is something to that effect.You, or anyone else is supposed to know what you toss in the offering plate.Shame on that pastor and the church if they knew about the letter.If the church knew nothing about the letter, they need to find another pastor cl;early this man is NOT a man of GOD!!!
Posted by: Anonymous on Apr 19, 2008 at 07:42 AM
and people wonder why I'm not Christian nor will ever raise my children to be. All talk no practice.
Posted by: Donald Location: Tomahawk, KY on Apr 19, 2008 at 07:07 AM
I feel sorry for this lady in this life and the church members who let this happen, in the life here after. This lady probably has been a member of this church for a while and don't want to change churches at this stage in her life. The good people in this church should put their foot down and change their bilaws and the pastor. If you are doing the Lords work you wont have to beg or force money from people. He will provide every dime that you need. This church needs to read what the bible says about helping widows.
Posted by: John Location: Frankfort on Apr 19, 2008 at 01:04 AM
Hopefully this lady has friends and/or family that will help her find a church that follows the word of God. From the look of it this one does not. It is a sad, sad day when "preachers" are trying to extort money from the church members.
Posted by: Ann Location: here on Apr 19, 2008 at 12:17 AM
The shepherd fleecing the flock? Aren't they supposed to care for the sheep? What does "care for" mean?
Posted by: Jon Location: prestonsburg on Apr 18, 2008 at 11:34 PM
wow ! how ridiculous for a pastor to even write or voice such a statement. Having our names on a church book -profits nothing at all. What does matter is having our names written down in the Lambs book of life. No one can erase it, or blot it out Such men that claim to be pastors as this is a mockery. They only want the money ! A man once told me this.. always be a shephered in ur church to the people.. people will love a shephered but never be a dictator to the people dictators are hated/ so true...
Posted by: ******* Location: London on Apr 18, 2008 at 11:13 PM
Why did this preacher not think this lady might be in some need herself if she wasn't paying tithes? Why did no one from the church ask her if she needed anything?It is up to the individual to decide how much they can afford to give to the Lord. The Bible says "let every one purpose in your own heart" what they will give. Also says to give cheerfully and willingly. The preacher and no one else in the church should even know if or how much any person gives. It is an individual matter and no one but God should be monitoring peoples giving. Tithing or 10% was taught in the Old Law which is not governing us today. Christians are told to give as they have prospered. It could be any percentage of their income but that is not up to anyone else to determine. Some may be able to give 20%. Some have prospered more than others but the elderly usually are living on a very small income and many times could use some help themselves. Elaborate buildings and entertainment are unnecessary expenses.
Posted by: Jules Location: Lexington on Apr 18, 2008 at 10:45 PM
For a Pastor to threaten to take away someones membership to a church because he/she is unable to pay tithes is crazy. She shouldn't worry about it. The Pastor is giving the church a bad reputation. Jesus knows our hearts and He always provides for our needs. Maybe the Pastor needs to get down on his knees and ask the Lord for the help that the church needs, not just the members of the church. It also sounds like she just might need to find a different church, one that preaches from the bible - not one that preaches what the Pastor makes up along the way. I know a church that preaches/teaches the uncompromizing word of God (Word of Life Christian Center), come out and visit all of us members would love to welcome you.
Posted by: wayne Location: morehead on Apr 18, 2008 at 10:09 PM
THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST REDICULOUS THINGS I'VE HEARD IN A LONG TIME, DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A GOSPEL CHURCH TO ME, SOUNDS MORE LIKE THE GOVERNMENT! A CHURCH IS THE LORDS HOUSE NOT A FREAKIN' TAX OFFICE, SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THE PASTOR IS DOING A LITTLE MORE WITH THE MONEY THEN WHAT HE NEEDS TO BE DOING!
Posted by: DT Location: Southeast KY on Apr 18, 2008 at 08:27 PM
So thankful God know what we are capable of and we don't have to answer to man.
Posted by: Scotty Location: Somerset on Apr 18, 2008 at 08:17 PM
Sounds like to me that the Pastor needs a new car or a new air conditioned dog house.
Posted by: Pitiful Location: London on Apr 18, 2008 at 06:48 PM
I believe in paying tithes however to tell someone their name will be removed from the church membership due to not paying has nothing to do with the Lord.He welcomes all to his membership free of charge.I have a feeling this is one letter that the pastor will be wishing he had never mailed.Its not up to HIM to decide what someone should pay.Thats a personal issue between the lady and God.
Posted by: Mike Huffman Location: Omaha Arkansas on Apr 18, 2008 at 06:46 PM
Rob from Lexington, I agree, I never upheld taking money from an 80 year old woman on a fixed income. The Bible also speaks of how we are to take care of our elderly people, I believe the way we do people from our heart, is ever bit as important as how we tithe, I'm sure she is doing her very best, that pastor should be ashamed of what he did, if that was my mother, I'm not sure I wouldn't be having a few words to say to him, I just don't think this is what Jesus would do, I just don't.
Posted by: ron Location: london on Apr 18, 2008 at 06:39 PM
This is a complete Joke this pastor should be removed by the church or cut his pay to see if he is in it for god or money. This just makes me sick.
Posted by: SHELBY Location: RICHMOND on Apr 18, 2008 at 06:17 PM
This guy belongs on TV with his hands out stretched. What a loser!!
Posted by: Sinner Location: Adair Co. Ky. on Apr 18, 2008 at 06:12 PM
The Lord will provide for this "Church" and the "pastor" should realize this and pray about it. My heart goes out to this dear Lady. Please know this....she would be welcomed into any of GOD'S HOUSES OF WORSHIP she chooses to enter. Come and join in worship services with Christians. She may have been a member of that particular Church for a long time. I guarantee her that if that pastor needs money that badly, that he more than likely will be looking for another place of employment. I do feel that this pastor has made a terrible mistake by charging Christians to be members of that congregation. You see I believe Jesus has already paid the price of admission for me and every other Christian.
Posted by: Mary Location: Lexington on Apr 18, 2008 at 05:57 PM
All of us who call ourselves "Christians" should be doing what the bible says and upholding this pastor in prayer.
Posted by: Jerry Location: KY on Apr 18, 2008 at 05:56 PM
It's a shame the pastors todasy don't know what a Biblical tithe is. Study it out, it is only food products and only from the land of Israel. Even the jewish people know that the tithe ended at Calvary and when the temple collapsed. For a good explaination of Biblical tithing, go to www.shouldthechurchteachtithing.com . It so sad that the elderly and poor are gewtting robbed by today's Church. The tithe is not now or ever a Biblical doctrine for Christains. These Pastors need to study more. People need to study more so they don't get misled by these pastors.
Posted by: blah blah blah Location: kentucky on Apr 18, 2008 at 05:55 PM
sounds like this preacher was from the house of satan instead of the house of god
Posted by: Judy Location: Pineville on Apr 18, 2008 at 05:44 PM
That man that calls himself a preacher needs to be ashamed of his self. He isn't much to treat that old woman like that. He will burn, burn, burn, as he should for acting like that.......
Posted by: db Location: eastern ky on Apr 18, 2008 at 05:25 PM
First I can't unterstand why something like this had to be news worthy unless to throw stones at someone. Maybe the church is ready to close and truly needs the help of those that have tithe in the past but the wording may be a way off. However, if the lady knows God and it says she does then her membership is in Heaven not a role book somewhere. Preach about it but letters, oh come on, a church is not a collection agency.
Posted by: Pat Location: Kentucky on Apr 18, 2008 at 05:08 PM
It's so sad when any person, organization, council, board or group of people think that they have the ability to control God's house and speak for God. This church needs to turn things over to God and let God take back the control of His house because this pastor has really made a mess of things.
Posted by: J Location: ky on Apr 18, 2008 at 04:47 PM
This sounds like it isn't "the church" per se, but the pastor himself...Does this church have a council? Who hired this pastor...I would investigate this to see if he has done this to other members. What a shame...he is abusing his "authority" on this poor lady and should be taken to task on it.
Posted by: Anonymous Location: Corbin on Apr 18, 2008 at 03:51 PM
Well she ought to go ahead & pay the tithes & then hand the Church all her bills .. including her medical bills at the end of the month & let the Church pay them .. that is suppose to be part of what tithes are collected for .. What about that "pastor "? Would you be willing to do that ???
Posted by: waynebob Location: nashville on Apr 18, 2008 at 03:45 PM
I think the pastor is confusing membership dues with tithing. Any pastor who shakes down his flock for money is a wolf in sheep's clothing. Jesus warned against such. She should gladly give up her membership in such a " church" and find one that follows the Bible.
Posted by: Mike Location: danville on Apr 18, 2008 at 03:44 PM
Why is the pastor in charge of the money to start with? The pastor of a "true" church, should never know how much any of its members tithe. The pastor of any church is supposed to be neutal when it comes to the business of the church. One last thing, maybe he should have ask himself one simple question before he sent the letter "What Would Jesus Do?"
Posted by: Scarlet Location: Jeffersonville on Apr 18, 2008 at 03:01 PM
My grandmother lived in the country and did not drive therefore she was unable to attend an organized church reqularly. She was the most devote Christian I ever knew. She tithed by providing food and shelter to those who needed it. She faithfully wrote and phoned the sick and elderly. She prayed for all she knew daily and even dropped to her knees to ask God to take her instead of a child she witnessed get hit by a car.Money is the root of all evils. We have forgotted that not all things have a dollar sign. Maybe the remaining church members could make a donation in this wonderful womans name and satisfy the monetary needs of this "preacher". Anyone can be a preacher...it takes someone special to be a minister!
Posted by: Anne-Marie Location: Lexington on Apr 18, 2008 at 02:23 PM
While it can be scary to tithe when you don't think you can it grows your faith and makes you a stronger believer when you do it and allow God to show you how well He will take care of you. His accounting is supernatural - much better than our best thinking can ever be! Cheers to this pastor for being a pastor rather than a pacifier. There are plenty of churches providing empty entertainment these days. We need more pastors like this that will give people the push they need to grow! The volume of comments condemning the pastor attest to this. My own pastor would do the same and that's one of the reasons I am a member of my church. If I want entertainment I can turn on my TV. I want strong leadership when my my walk with Jesus is on the line. AM
Posted by: me Location: corbin on Apr 18, 2008 at 02:22 PM
tithing is not a command from God it is a suggestion. He wants free will giving and He wants it done out of lov and would never expect to put an indvidial in finacial woes.
Posted by: Lynn Location: Kentucky on Apr 18, 2008 at 02:17 PM
sadly this only shows that Today's churches are not on the up and up... I know of a local church that got people to cosign for the expensive new building...they would go get an old lady in a wheel chair and when they pressured her to give a large amount to the fund.... and got their money ... they forgot her.... this pastor also made his members feel guilty if they didnt give lots of money......simply awful......how the younger generation treats our elders that we are s