Romney, Perry spar over jobs, Social Security

SIMI VALLEY, Calif. (AP) - Quick to tangle, Republican
presidential rivals Rick Perry and Mitt Romney sparred vigorously
over job creation and Social Security Wednesday night in a feisty
campaign debate that marked a contentious new turn in the race to
pick a 2012 challenger to President Barack Obama.
Far more than in earlier GOP debates this summer, the candidates mixed it up in their first faceoff since Perry entered the race and almost instantly overtook Romney as front-runner in opinion polls. Those two - as well as other contenders on stage - sniped at one another, contradicted allegations and interrupted media questioners to demand opportunities to take each other on.
"Michael Dukakis created jobs three times faster than you did,
Mitt," Perry jabbed in the debate's opening moments, referring to
one of Romney's Democratic predecessors as governor of
"As a matter of fact, George Bush and his predecessors created
jobs at a faster rate than you did," Romney shot back at Perry,
the 10-year incumbent Texas governor.
The debate was the first of three in as many weeks, at a time
when the economy is struggling, unemployment is seemingly stuck at 9.1 percent and Obama's popularity is sinking in the polls - all
events that could make the GOP nomination worth more than it
appeared only a few months ago.
Perry and Romney stood next to each other on the debate stage at
the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library, a setting that invoked the
memory of the conservative Republican who swept to two terms as
president. And for much of the evening, the two men were at the
center of the action, largely reducing their rivals to the roles of
spectators looking for a way into the action.
Former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman sided with Perry when he turned to Romney and said, "47th just isn't going to cut it, my friend," a
reference to the rank Massachusetts had among the 50 states in
creating jobs during Romney's term.
But he also sought to rebut Perry's claim to be chief executive
of the country's top job-producing state.
"I hate to rain on the parade of the great Lone Star State
governor, but as governor of Utah, we were the No. 1 job creator
during my years in service," Huntsman said.
Businessman Herman Cain, Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann, Texas Rep. Ron Paul, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich and former Sen. Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania shared the stage for the debate hosted by MSNBC and Politico.
Not surprisingly, the GOP contenders had little good to say
about Obama, either his record on creating jobs or the health care
law they have vowed to repeal if they win the White House. Perry
was an exception, volunteering his praise for the presidential
order that resulted in the death of Osama bin Laden in a U.S.
military raid in Pakistan. He also said he was happy the U.S.
prison at Guantanamo has been kept open.
On another foreign policy issue, Bachmann criticized Obama's
decision to join an international military campaign in Libya.
Bachman also said she would provide the "strong, bold leader in
the presidency who will lead" the effort to repeal the health care
law passed at Obama's behest. "None of us should ever think that
the repeal bill will just come to our desk," she said in a pledge
that drew applause from the audience.
Gingrich resisted an effort to draw him into conflict with other
Republicans on stage. "I'm frankly not interested in your efforts
to get Republicans fighting each other," he said, sparking an even
louder round of applause. He said all Republicans should "defeat
efforts by the news media" to spark an internal struggle when the
real objective is to defeat Obama in 2012.
But moments later, Cain said that after trying to defeat
Democratic efforts to create national health care, "I'm running
against Romneycare," the legislation that passed requiring
residents of Massachusetts to purchase coverage.
Social Security produced more sparks, when Perry said the
program was a "Ponzi scheme" and added it was a lie to tell young
workers they will ever receive the benefits they have been
Romney quickly referred to Perry's book, "Fed Up," in which
the Texas governor said that by any measure the program was a
failure. Perry also said states should be able to opt out of the
program,' Romney added.
Perry was unrepentant - "You cannot keep the status quo in
place and call it anything other than a Ponzi scheme," he said.
The Texas governor also made it clear he doesn't intend to take
advice from Karl Rove, the former Bush political adviser who
recently said some of Perry's rhetoric has been too provocative for
a general election.
"Karl has been over the top for a long time now," he said.
Backstage, Romney and Perry exchanged small talk, but when they were introduced on stage, they stood stiffly side by side.
Romney, slightly taller and just an arm's length away for the
debate, frequently turned his body toward Perry when the Texas
governor spoke, watching him intently.
When Romney talked about rebuilding the Massachusetts economy, Perry looked toward the audience with a broadly arched eyebrow.
Despite their clashes, Romney defended Perry from criticism from
other contenders who said he had infringed on parents' rights when
he tried to require young girls to be vaccinated for sexually
transmitted diseases and some cancers. Romney said he had disagreed with Perry's methods but that the Texas governor's heart was in the right place - then sought to move the conversation away from social issues and back to job creation.
The event was Perry's first opportunity to share a debate stage
with his rivals since he joined the race last month and shot to the
top of the public opinion polls. He displaced Romney as
front-runner and stepped on the momentum that Bachmann had
generated with her victory in a straw poll at the Iowa State Fair
earlier in the summer.
A governor for more than a decade, he seemed at ease on stage in his campaign debut and moved quickly to assert his claim to having the best record of all on stage in creating jobs.
"We created 1 million jobs in the state of Texas at the same
time the United States lost 2 million," he said, adding that the
issue for the nation this election season is "who on this stage
can get America working. Because we know for a fact that the
resident of the White House cannot."
Romney threw the first jab of the evening, saying that being a
career politician is a "fine profession" but not the same as
having worked in the business world, as he did.
That was a reference to Perry, who moved quickly to counter.
He said Romney had indeed done well creating jobs in the
business world, but "when he moved that experience to government,
he had one of the lowest job creation rates in the country. ... As
a matter of fact, we created more jobs in the last three months in
Texas than he created in four years in Massachusetts."
Romney didn't exactly challenge that claim, but instead said
Texas has no income tax, has a right-to-work law that makes it hard
for unions to organize, plentiful oil and gas reserves and a
Republican legislature. Massachusetts has none of those things, and he said he had turned the state's economy around.
Associated Press writer Michael R. Blood contributed to this

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